Steveo3631

I've got a picture of it being built. We can use our imagination.

I guess it's all where you're from, but I remember the upbeat classical pieces used in combination with the Royal Fountain as my favorites. I must say though, I remember the Paramount pieces from the days in the park working!

I've used that website several times over the years. The early reports are sketchy, but recent incidents are covered pretty well. The webmaster who runs it does not have a site dedicated to the so called "danger" of parks. They are mostly reports from the local papers. When an incident did occur, such as the Superman incident as SFNE, we used that information at the park I was working for to improve safety awareness and reinforce policy. It was a way to keep in touch with safety concerns in the business in a very timely manner. Most of the incidents are at non-fixed sites. Very few are at fixed sites.

Tumble Bug was more fun than Flight Commander. Heck, so was Flying Eagles!

May I refine....for me, middle seat, last car, train number three, right side!

Maybe change the "P" to an adjective, like "predominately" KICentral. Wouldn't even have to change the domain name! (OK, it was intended to be tongue-in-cheek)

I recall Coney only being associated with Americana for a few brief years. When Americana didn't improve it was closed. I remember the coaster being in terrific shape. It had had several years of refirbishment byt I believe Charlie Dinn's company. It's a shame it is sitting idle now.

Favorite that I can find....1979 Press Kit. Favorite I can't find, my Ride Associate hooded pullover from 1995. I think that got lost at IOA.

I hope that KI does not add a helix to fill in the SOB gap, the ride has enough of those already. I have been a big fan of them tunneling in the last two hills and curve, ala Shooting Star, to give the ride a fantastic finish. Just filling in the gap may prove problematic if the trains exited the loop slower than they entered. If so, the trains might have too much speed for the final half of the ride. I'd love to see a figure eight, s-curve, or undulating helix in the formoer loop are to give the ride an extra element from an angled helix.

I miss the original Enchanted Voyage with the HB characters. I mourn KCKC, a heck of a fun ride to work. And I miss the uniqueness of the Tumble Bug, Cuddle Up and I miss The Bat.

One thing I recall in the 70's was a show with Soupy Sales riding Kenton's Cove Keelboat Canal when it opened, in the Fall I believe. These clips would be great to see if the park made them available! Who else remembers the Dinah Shore show being filmed there in the late 70's, showing many shows and rides from the park then.

It's time for KI to add a ride that is unique to the park. Beast put KI on the map and gave them worldwide publicity. Beast couldn't be duplicated exactly anywhere. Marketing was able to run with that promotion. Even SOB is somewhat derivitive of Beast. X-Flight will be a nice addition, but KI needs an attraction that is so unique and so different that it's status in the industry as a trend setter will be retained! KI has one thing that Cedar Point does not, hundreds of acres of undeveloped land to hold any idea they can come up with! The future holds great possibilities!

Call me weird, but I have silently wondered how much work KI will need to do to simply fill in the gap left by the removal of SOB's loop. As the two tracks do not meet at the bottom of the dip, either the run into or out of the dip will have to be substantially reengineered. My guess is the turn out of the brake run will have to be pushed out a little in order to have the center line of the track follow though smootly. Then again, maybe it will be the most extreme twist track stunt ever created, giving Crystal Beach Cyclone a run for it's money. I breathlessly await my next SOB ride to see the new trains feel!

. One nice deletion is the moniker PARAMOUNT! Now KI can entertain without having to bother with having to identify with past and present Paramount product that will soon be forgotten. If I remember, I did hear "Face Off" is being added to AFI's list of 100 greatest movies of all time!

From the day SOB was built, I always hoped for a true ending to the ride. Dreams of sugar plums dancing in my head are not what I want for Christmas. I am dreaming of Sonny's final hill and spiral up into the brakes being totally enclosed, giving an ending not unlike that of the old Shooting Star. As for SOB ending up like Rattler, with much hope KI will not find a need to shorten any of the drops and let Sonny maintain a couple of records. As for new stock, Flyers would be nice, and two seater PTC trains would not benefit as much as three seater PTC with a longer wheel base. Two seaters do nothing to make Mean Streak any less mean.

I will miss the loop, but applaud KI for removing it for the benefit of riders with lighter trains and a much smoother ride! Put SOB on the same level as the RCCA woodie Rattler which also needed extensive modifications.

I am sure to be in the minority on this one, but I would love to see one side HB and the other James Bond!

KI was never shy about removing a ride that did not work. The Bat was a great ride, perhaps the best suspended coaster ever built, but even with a chance at rebuiding it, KI knew that public confidence in the ride was low and after four years, they had enough of it. SOB is a great ride! I imagine that it could either be rebuilt, or demolished entirely. The long term life of a ride is determined by the amount of interest in it, and how valuable is it to maintain. In the past we've seen coasters with very short life spans, some legendary like the Crystal Beach Cyclone. The Cyclone may have been a great ride, but were the injuries and structural unsoundness worth keeping? I'd hate to see SOB go. I helped open it, watched it rise from the first foundations, but if KI or it's owners feel that SOB is no longer worth the expense or risk, then I couldn't complain. I still miss The Bat, and I trust that whatever decision is made is done with the best interest of KI, CF and more importantly the guests. Should SOB reopen, I have every faith that the proper decision was made and that all stress problems are resolved. Check out the link to another RCCA coaster with a troubled history, the Rattler, which exists in a much tamer version. I would rather see SOB demolished than have it declawed. Click on the link on the left side regarding the Rattlers Troubled past. http://searcht.netscape.com/ns/boomframe.j...2Faccidents.htm Still a Rivertown Boy!

I have found this to be true of any wood coaster with three bench seats per car. Sitting over the wheels is one reason I do not favor two-seaters.

Maintenance hated the red stain because it turned your hands red. The brown works much better!

The worst thing about clean up - brown snot!

No park needs bad press, and if this incident is made greater than it is, rider confidence will be lost. I have always known KI to be an extremely safe park that did it's best to keep ANY incident from happening. Even for small incidents, a cut or a bruise, a rough sopt on a ride, it was always attended to quickly with an appropriate response. Whatever happened at SOB I am sure was unforseen. Guest perception is the opposite however. They tend to think the worst, expecially the press. My thoughts are stilkl with the guests involved and all those at the park who I know feel bad about even the smallest injury. KI wood coaster maintenance and rides ops are the best! I await definate news of the incident and not the news being spread by the papers and TV stations

Last year Coney Island's Cyclone stopped dead at the bottom of the first drop, and didn't make it back to the station. If the SOB train made it back, then it must not have been a catastropic failure. If it lost a huge amount of speed it would have valleyed.

WCPO is saying there is a train "suspended" on the lift. TV news always distorts with the very words they choose. It would be "suspended" if it were hanging off the lift by one car, not sitting firmly on the tracks on the anti rollbacks.

The news reports so far seem to suggest it was the train on the lift. If anythning did happen with the train, better there than off the lift.