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So most people likely know by now that Iron Dragon had some track removed during the off season at Cedar Point. I heard from someone that the track has been reinstalled and I decided to reach out to Cedar Point about the coaster and received the email pictured here. From the sound of the email, it should be operational for Opening Day. If anyone else has any more information concerning Iron Dragon, I and possibly others would be interested.

So you are telling me that at 18 years old, I'm responsible enough to join the military and vote but not to chaperone a younger sibling at an amusement park? I understand that there's been a lot of trouble out of teenagers and young adults but I would think there should be a way to discipline the offenders instead of penalizing the respectable customer as well. Like how about anyone caught misbehaving by security gets an immediate boot from the park and a 30-60 day ban from entering the park? That would screw some punk kid's summer up real nice.... just saying. I'll be turning 21 in June so I guess until then I'll be "in violation" after 4pm while accompanying my younger sister or cousin. Obviously if security asks me to leave I have no intention of bulking authority but I'm not waving my ID around asking to get booted out after 4pm.

Trying to make sense for both parks - How about Backlot Stunt Coaster to Valleyfair for Excalibur? (I've never ridden it but if it's anything like Gemini at CP it would be way better than Stunt Cars. Furthermore, Valleyfair in years past has acted like they aren't planning on keeping Excalibur long term) Trade Mystic Timbers to Cedar Point for Wild Mouse and Cedar Downs Racing Derby (we get amazing flat ride and a family coaster and they get a new woodie seeing as they are currently down to Blue Streak) Trade Boo Blasters on Boo Hill to Cedar Point for Skyride (we get Skyride across International Street like it was back in the 70s and CP who currently doesn't have a dark ride would now have one) Trade Invertigo and Congo Falls to Six Flags Over TX for Shockwave (TX probably always needs water rides and they don't currently have a 'boomerang' model as theirs went to st Louis. Shockwave would fill the void left in our lineup by Vortex demolition by having a smaller looper that still rides smooth and packs a punch) Trade Orion to Six Flags Magic Mountain for Tatsu (Magic Mountain finally gets a giga and we get a B&M flyer that is totally different than everything else in our lineup) Trade (name any flat ride in the park) to Carowinds for our original flying eagles.

I personally really enjoyed the dark ride shooter Ghostwood Estate at Kennywood. The shooting tech was more similar to Men in Black at Universal but the amount of animatronics and sets was absolutely amazing. I also really enjoyed the Houdini themed mad house at Six Flags Great Adventure and I wouldn't be opposed to a phantom theater mad house attraction. I boo blaster needs to go ASAP but if they want to bring Phantom Theater back, they need to do it right which is no screens and preferably no shooting (in my opinion) just make a really really solid story ride with really good sets and animatronics.

I think after the pandemic all amusement parks took a pretty hard financial hit and while I would hope that they have been able to recoup some money by now, I also think that park leadership gets a bit greedy and wants to see huge profits and part of making more money is not spending a lot of money. So you know cut things like landscaping that at the end of the day don't get people into the park. I'm assuming very few people go to Kings Island just to look at the landscaping and trees. Or in order to cut labor they only have half of the food locations open. The people who are going to buy food are still going to and they will just have to wait twice as long to do so. To me pass holders with meal/drink plans are the ones who really get penalized with closed dinning locations. Unfortunately, I think that Cedar Fair silently has been making some changes that are not totally unlike Six Flags (just six flags has been pretty vocal about changes and has made the news over enthusiast backlash and angry customers) However, preview day this year at KI reminded me of opening day last year at Six Flags St Louis. Kings Island had 4 big rides closed (Adv Express, The Bat, Delirium, and Drop Tower). Six Flags St Louis also had some big rides closed for opening day in 2022 (The Boss, Mr Freeze Reverse Blast, Xcalibur) and both parks had probably half their dinning locations closed. I also think that some of the staff didn't seem to be "ready" or very well trained. I do want to say I appreciate all the good staff that typically KI has but yesterday (preview day) there were a few that just seemed unprepared. One of the seat assignment people on Diamondback consistently left unfilled rows, there was no seat assignment on The Racer, and whenever I went to Auntie Anne's in rivertown there was a lot of mistakes. I ordered regular pretzel nuggets and a cup of water but got charged $4 and something for a fountain drink and whenever I asked if the water wasn't free anymore the girl didn't seem to know so the "manager" came over and took it off. Then whenever she filled my order she gave me the "pigs in a blanket" as I would call them but basically the hotdogs in pretzels however, I just took it seeing as they probably wouldn't be allowed to take it back. So needless to say, so far I am unimpressed by the 2023 season seeing as many of the off season projects are incomplete and the park overall is just not up to previous years standards. I feel like it's extremely noticeable though because we just came off one of the greatest seasons at the park where everything looked amazing and staff was excellent and frankly it was the 50th so it was supposed to be amazing. However, the golden standard has definitely relaxed quite a bit for the 51st season. After all of that I'm still excited about seeing the new projects completed and obviously with more experience the staff will improve. I'm just hoping they can get some of the closed rides up and running or at least give some descent reason that they aren't. It makes me a little more understanding if there's a "reason" behind an action.

So someone in line for The Beast today asked if I had heard about the new HUSS Enterprise opening in Adventure Port called Sol Spin. He further informed me that the park had one once upon a time that was located in the area by Vortex now occupied by shake rattle and roll.... If only the Sol Spin was a HUSS Enterprise....for some reason I prefer the minimal restraints and the "cage" feel on a true enterprise (HUSS or Schwarzkopf) vs the modern equivalent.

Red was running very well when I rode it. Really hope they do blue this next off season. That trim on the red turn around didn't hit very hard when I rode it today so I'm thinking that blue is going to have a very hard time catching up now seeing as typically red always arrives at the lift first and drops first.

Anyone have any information on why The Bat is closed or how long it'll take the park to get it running this season?

Well you learn something new every day. I was always under the impression that the tumble bug was the oldest ride to ever operate at Kings Island but after doing some digging (outside of wikipedia) turns out the original Coney Island dogem was from 1924 (a year before the tumble bug opened in 1925). However, there seems to be some debate as to whether the current dogem is the original or not seeing as it changed cars, locations, and buildings over the years. I think the park even celebrates the Grand Carousel as the oldest ride currently at the park so I would be inclined to believe that the original dogem and the current dogem rides aren't the same?

Arrow Suspended, Togo Ultra Twisted, or Schwarzkopf loopers would be my picks provided they were built as originally intended (no nerfs on restraints, trains, speed, etc). I'm happy to see the Schwarzkopf Wildcat is going back into production. I think they should revive more former coaster models seeing as eventually the existing ones will be rather old or gone the way of the scrap yard.

I have said for years that the plot seems suitable for a dive coaster, however it wouldn't be my preferred choice seeing as the new models have anti airtime vest restraints. The older dives like griffon and sheikra are loads of fun but Valravn is just average to me due to the lack of airtime.

Anyone else notice that Adventure Express is listed under June 1-July 31? So can we hope for a possible late May/June first opening date seeing as they've implied that it won't be operational for Opening Day?

I would argue that Skyhawk at Canada's Wonderland is a "modern equivalent" of Flight Commander just as the demolition derby is the modern day cuddle up. Maybe there's hope KI will get one some day. (Most likely not but you can speculate right!?)

Sorry I misunderstood the point you were trying to make. All of that information was very interesting! I definitely agree with your statement that if it has been a success there would have not been so much mystery/obsession over it because many more people would have got to ride it and it would just be one of the former coasters at this point much like Kings Cobra or Screemin Demon. It would still have had the first suspended coaster title going for it, but King Cobra had first standup on American soil going for it and few people ever talk about that one anymore.

Man I forgot how loud Steel Vengeance lift is! Actually a few RMC have very loud lift hills. I also remember Phantoms Revenge at Kennywood being loud enough to hear from the parking lot.

That would have been some pretty good mesh! I mean coaster train cars are pretty heavy. They made stuff to last back then. Also I know it's been suggested that The Bat (1981) would have been short lived and while it's possible, I just don't see it. Adventure Express top speed is 35mph and it's obviously has been and is going to be around for a long time. Iron Dragon is not a super fast suspended coaster either. As for roughness, there are plenty of headbanging arrows and vekomas still running so unless there were fractured skull injuries, I don't see where headbanging/roughness would guarantee it's removal. Also the loudness of the lift hill... can't speak for that one but I know Firehawk had a lift that was pretty darn loud though I don't think that was one of the reasons it was removed.

Yet another opening day without one of our coasters....last year it was The Beast and this year it'll be Adventure Express. Wonder which one we'll have to wait for next year? I agree that the decision/announcement was made late and I also thought it was surprising more wasn't done at winterfest. Disappointing to say the least but not completely unexpected. Sometimes I think I've learned to expect the worst in this world but it doesn't keep me from getting my hopes up. I'm going to Cedar Point in May and I'm really trying not to get disappointed if Iron Dragon is still closed due to a missing segment.

Valid point. Rougarou will probably just stay at CP for many years and will just hit the scrap pile. I'm not sure what coaster is on the chopping block next for CP but I can safely say that I won't be heartbroken if its Rougarou.

I really hope Adventure Port is ready for opening day and if someone would like to fill me in on the reasons it wouldn't/the projects that still need to be completed I'd appreciate it. In my mind I don't see how assembling a few flats (which takes only a few days) and finishing the ques and walking paths could take very long. They have already repainted some of the buildings and as for AdEx they have kept it kind of hushed so I'm not sure what is going on there. I know this isn't 1971/72 but I believe that they moved all of the Coney Island flats, Bavarian Beetle coaster, Skyride, and Log Flume to KI in about a months time and then spent the next 5-6 months assembling it all. If they could do that 50 years ago I just can't see how two flats, refresh on restaurants/area theming, and enhancement on a coaster could take all that long....

Yes regardless of who gets what and when they get it, hopefully we have a bright future of good investments now that the pandemic era seems to be over. Sometimes good investments aren't even new rollercoasters...for example the re-tracking of Racer, Beast, and Grizzly are all good investments in restoring older rides to their full potential. There have been some great dark ride ideas on the forums lately and I also think we'll see more lands getting a facelift/retheme (example: Adventure Port at KI, Boardwalk at CP, and Aeronautical Landing at Carowinds). The future looks bright!

I like that CP is getting some nicer restaurants, however, whenever I last visited it seemed that alot of their quick service/counter service places were closed or had very few options (at a very high price let me add) Another thing that I don't like about the recent direction of CP is that they keep removing rides in favor of new restaurants (example: Antique Cars and Witches Wheel removals) while seemingly doing nothing to improve the food locations they already have. There's at least two or three counter service places in frontier town that were closed last time I visited and all the restaurants in pioneer trail were closed and the one by iron Dragon was closed. My only option in the back half of the park was the Farmhouse Kitchen and Grill which had a ridiculous line and the Friars Corndog place by Gemini (which had very limited options given I ended up and ate there to avoid the long waits) For example, CP needs to do something like what KI did with the 50th anniversary and actually have unique food offerings at various locations. It will be interesting to me to see the future additions to CP as the days of them mass building coasters have come to an end and they seem to be having a hard time choosing what direction to pursue next.

So this was a very interesting assessment that made me start thinking - 2019: Carowinds (Copperhead Strike), Canada's Wonderland (Yukon Striker) 2020: Kings Island (Orion) 2021: n/a 2022: King's Dominion (Tumbili) 2023: Cedar Point (Wild Mouse), Canada's Wonderland (Snoopy's Racing Railway), World's of Fun (Zambezi Zinger) 2024: Cedar Point (TTD Reimagined), Dorney Park (unnamed coaster project) 2025: My best guess is new coasters at Kings Island & Carowinds 2026: My best guess is new coasters at Kings Dominion and Canada's Wonderland Based on this, I think we can safely try to predict the future Cedar Fair investments. We all know CGA is not going to see any new coaster additions seeing as the park's days are now numbered. Michigan's Great Adventure and Valleyfair both could use an investment in the coming years however, I honestly see them as prime candidates for relocated attractions from CGA (if Rail Blazed could be relocated I think it would be a win for either of these two parks) In that scenario, I think CP should relocate Rougarou to whichever park doesn't get Rail Blazer. Rougarou doesn't seem that popular at CP (at least whenever I'm there) and would be a star attraction at either of the other two parks while of course freeing up a valuable plot of land at CP. World's of Fun and Dorney Park are getting their new coasters this year and next year so I think Cedar Fair will abandon them in terms of coaster investments for awhile. Now concerning the larger flagship parks - Cedar Point: After the wild mouse and TTD Reimagined, I think they will be good for a few years until a new plot opens up either because of an existing coater reaching the end of it service life or a relocation of Rougarou (see previous paragraph) Carowinds: I absolutely agree with Hawaiian Coasters 325 that Carowinds is going to be on top priority for a new coaster (probably 2025) They have the space, they are a big park, and haven't received any new coasters since COVID. Kings Island: I'm still thinking 2025 is our year. It'll be 5 years since the opening of Orion and we have available space in The Vortex plot. Canada's Wonderland: while it's true that Yukon Striker was added pre-covid, they are getting Snoopy's Racing Railway this year (2023) which while it's a subpar coaster addition it does count. I think they will see a new big coaster addition in 2026. Knott's Berry Farm: So last I heard Knott's is landlocked much like CP which means unless they are moving stuff or demolishing existing attractions, I'm not sure when they will see a new coaster addition. I also think that Knott's is a unique CF park as it's one of the only ones I'd classify as a "theme park" and perhaps Knott's future is not in the newest coasters but in solid dark rides/story rides that complete the experience and fit better with what makes Knott's different from other parks in the chain. Kings Dominion: Kings Dominion....like Canada's Wonderland, got a poor excuse of a new coaster with Tumbili. KD was hurt by losing Shockwave and Volcano so close together and technically Hurler. So if we look at the lineup, Hurler was replaced by Twisted Timbers, Shockwave (though replaced by Delirium) you could argue was replaced by Tumbili leaving Volcano as the void that needs filled. I'm thinking 2025 or 2026 is the year for KD first because they really do still need a replacement for volcano but second because I'm not sure how much longer they are going to want to hang onto Andaconda (they really need to replace Volcano before removing any more coasters).

If the original Bat (1981) had actually worked and did not have all the design flaws and maintenance issues that it did, or if they had chose to totally re-track the ride with banked turns around 1984 this would have impacted the park history in a small way. First, Vortex would have never been built because The Bat would have been corrected (or worked properly from the beginning in that scenario). Second, Top Gun/Flight Deck/The Bat (1993) would have never been built because KI would have already had an Arrow Suspended Coaster. Perhaps by 1993, they would have been ready to add an Arrow looper perhaps in the area occupied by the former safari monorails. Who knows? (This is all speculation of course). I'm not exactly sure what the lifespan of an Arrow suspended coaster is seeing as there is controversy surrounding wether Big Bad Wolf was indeed at the end of it's service life or not when BGW decided to remove it. XLR-8 at Astro World closed with the park and presumably didn't reach the end of it's service life. I'm not exactly sure when/why Eagles Fortress was removed but it wasn't that old of a coaster either. Iron Dragon is apparently still good at CP and they are even taking track and supports out for whatever construction they are doing on dragster unless CP is actually making a substantial investment in Iron Dragon and replacing track and supports (which I highly doubt. Regardless, my point is that ID must not be totally worn out quite yet or they would probably not hesitate to remove it for expansion sake. It also is a slower coaster and perhaps doesn't put as much force/stress on it's structure or track explaining why it's still operating. (It opened the same year as Vortex in 1987). As far as I know there's been no talk of any of the other Arrow Suspended Coasters being removed (Ninja at Magic Mountain, Vampire at Chessington World of Adventure, and Vortex at Canada's Wonderland). To sum up, I personally think that even if the original Bat had worked properly from the beginning/or had been re-tracked in 1984 that by now it would have been scrapped. The ride would have been 40 years old in 2021 and while a possible re-track in 1984 would have given it a few more years of life, that still means it would be nearing it's 40th season in 2024. I just don't see how it could have lasted that long and without an ACE Landmark Status (which it probably would have gained actually) there's a very slim chance KI would have kept it around for 40 years. If it had gained a Coaster Landmark Status as the first suspended coaster (given ACE or KI invested a substantial amount of $ in refurbishments), history could have been very different. Perhaps the ride would still be operating at the far end of Coney Mall today!

I really like the switch to a Mayan civilization theme for Adv Express seeing as it matches the Sol Spin very nicely and the rest of the newly themed areas. Can't wait to actually hear the backstory/que theme for Adventure Express when it reopens. I'm still hoping for Adventure Port on Opening Day and none of this wait until May type of stuff (aka beast re-track) also if they are taking the time to repaint the heads on the lift hill, I can't wait to see what they do with the tunnels!

Yep I played the old classic one when I was a kid and I remember that if you charged more than 20c to use the restrooms your park rating would start to tank from all the complaints. KI better be careful with their bathroom marketing strategy here....