yeah but most do...

I was responding to some one who said they all did. I know not every flyer has a pretzel loop.

I did specify. I said flyers and Flying Dutchman. Those are the manufacturer-assigned names. How is that not specified enough?

Someone mentioned that Kings Island is trying to get opinions from the fans of what they want to see come to Kings Island in the future. Is there a part of Kings Island on their website where we can submit this kind of information? Hopefully Kings Island reads these forums because I would love for them to put in a B&M Floorless roller coaster. Those are fun!

I really doubt that Keyhole, err, Photo Memories employees are asking "Hey! Stop right there and let me take a picture, then ask you about what you want at Kings Island 'cause we're gonna listen to you!" Yeah no.

this is just annoying. i loved SOB. people are just sissies & can't handle it.

RIP to the BEST roller coaster Kings Island ever had. it will be greatly missed.

Oh yes, those 27 riders who were sent to the hospital that July afternoon; they were..."sissies".

I think it would be interesting to hear what some of the GP's ideas are. Maybe a new 300 foot wooden coaster with a loop and then they could name it SOB's Revenge!

We were stopped by a guy with a clipboard, who asked if he could send me a survey via email. Maybe they are listening.

We always stop and smile for the Keyhole photogs, too. They are just doing their jobs.

I would like for Kings Island to build a hotel and a new campground in SOB's area. Have 2 new entrances, 1 near Flight Deck, and the other near Firehawk and Flight of Fear. 2014 would be your coaster expansion!

I'd love to see a campground, but I'm not too sure about a hotel.

I would like for Kings Island to build a hotel and a new campground in SOB's area. Have 2 new entrances, 1 near Flight Deck, and the other near Firehawk and Flight of Fear. 2014 would be your coaster expansion!

Great Wolf Lodge? I don't want to have a hotel within the park. I won't stand for a huge 10 story Mariott inside the park.

Don't worry about Marriott.

Why would Cedar Fair pay the franchise fee? They won't. See Knott's or Cedar Point. No lodging franchisor paid.

I was making a point. The point is, 2 hotels abreast adjacent to a third resort, just doesn't sit right with me. Why would we want a shining, gleaming hotel standing at the head of Action Zone where something better could sit?

Return on investment?

For now, Mr. Ouimet says lodging at parks without FUN owned lodging is not a priority.

Who owns the Kings Island Inn now?

Who owns the Kings Island Inn now?

I believe that the inn (as well as all of the park's land on the opposite side of I-71), was sort of split from the park once Lindner's Great American Financial Group took control. When the Paramount sale came to fruition, the inn as well as the land on the other side of the interstate was not part of the sale, and was thereby kept by Lindner's company. I am not sure who operates the inn now, or if it's running on it's own management.

Please don't take all of this information as fact, as my minds a little fuzzy on all the details, perhaps Terpy can help with this one.

this is just annoying. i loved SOB. people are just sissies & can't handle it.

RIP to the BEST roller coaster Kings Island ever had. it will be greatly missed.

I'd not suggest you walk up to the people who got broken bones on the ride, one of whom got a judgment against the park after a multi-day jury trial, and tell them they are sissies.

By the way, the park's General Manager was not happy with the ride experience. Does that make him a sissy, too?

The park just announced a very difficult business decision, with many, varied factors to be considered. I'm sure the annoyance of people like you was one of the factors considered, but it was far outweighed by guest safety, comfort, maintenance costs, reliability, liability, and a host of other factors.

It is what it is.

nobody got broken bones on the SOB.? my god it isn't that bad.

this is just annoying. i loved SOB. people are just sissies & can't handle it.

RIP to the BEST roller coaster Kings Island ever had. it will be greatly missed.

Sorry your favorite coaster is officially going away, but I'd hope you realize that the park doesn't just remove a ride because a few people can't handle it. I used to really enjoy SoB as well (with loop) and it had some thrills without loop also, but understand its time to move on.

I also hope that you've found other rides and attractions to enjoy at KI in the 3 years it's been SBNO so you can continue to enjoy the park. What was is about SoB that made it so great to you?

i enjoy a lot of things at the park. i have a pass, & i go at least once a week. i used to be very scared of roller coasters until 2009, then i finally started enjoying them. i rode SOB the week before it was closed. i absolutely loved it, & wish that things like this wouldn't happen. i'm probably the minority here saying i loved it, but its just sad seeing something you enjoy leave.

this is just annoying. i loved SOB. people are just sissies & can't handle it.

RIP to the BEST roller coaster Kings Island ever had. it will be greatly missed.

I'd not suggest you walk up to the people who got broken bones on the ride, one of whom got a judgment against the park after a multi-day jury trial, and tell them they are sissies.

By the way, the park's General Manager was not happy with the ride

experience. Does that make him a sissy, too?

The park just announced a very difficult business decision, with many, varied factors to be considered. I'm sure the annoyance of people like you was one of the factors considered, but it was far outweighed by guest safety, comfort, maintenance costs, reliability, liability, and a host of other factors.

It is what it is.

nobody got broken bones on the SOB.? my god it isn't that bad.

Really? In addition to the broken sternum in July 2006, there were at least two earlier reported incidents of broken necks and many others of other broken bones.

Sissies?

this is just annoying. i loved SOB. people are just sissies & can't handle it.

RIP to the BEST roller coaster Kings Island ever had. it will be greatly missed.

I'd not suggest you walk up to the people who got broken bones on the ride, one of whom got a judgment against the park after a multi-day jury trial, and tell them they are sissies.

By the way, the park's General Manager was not happy with the ride experience. Does that make him a sissy, too?

The park just announced a very difficult business decision, with many, varied factors to be considered. I'm sure the annoyance of people like you was one of the factors considered, but it was far outweighed by guest safety, comfort, maintenance costs, reliability, liability, and a host of other factors.

It is what it is.

nobody got broken bones on the SOB.? my god it isn't that bad.

Really? In addition to the broken sternums in July 2006, there were at least two earlier reported incidents of broken necks and many others of other broken bones.

Sissies?

i really enjoy the ride. people should take warning that the ride is rough before they get on, or if they have prior medical issues. that sucks people were injured, but have you ever been on the ride.? it's not bad at all. even after the loop was removed. i loved it. & its very special to people who to go Kings Island on a regular basis & ride big rides. people in ohio were THRILLED when this roller coaster was unveiled, it broke so many records. this will always be my favorite ride. & how dare you call me "annoying" for sticking up for what i believe in, & something that i enjoy. & if you don't like that i speak my mind on here, don't look at my post.

RideMan

I wonder if they have considered the option of removing everything from the bottom of the first drop to the top of the last drop, and building a new coaster out of what is left. With the most expensive part of the ride already built, they could build an awesome new wood coaster for not too terribly much additional money. Just avoid oversized helii...

The failure that caused the injuries was not necessarily because of substandard materials or construction, but it did have to do with an engineering failure. As I understand it, the bottom of the helix was not adequately supported, so it bounced like crazy when the train went through. In order to correct that bounce, the park's construction team added supports and stiffened the structure, based on their extensive experience with wood coasters. Unfortunately, stiffening the structure made it so that the column in the middle of the helix that failed could no longer handle the loads being placed on it, so it failed. The rest, as they say, is history. I have a copy of the engineering report around here somewhere, courtesy of the Cincinnati Enquirer web site...

--Dave Althoff, Jr.

i just read that somewhere, surprisingly, that wouldn't be a horrible idea.

Please do NOT put words in my mouth. I never said you were annoyING. Never. I said you were annoyed. And you are. Understandably.

Nevertheless the ride is done for.

And I rode it literally hundreds of times, including before it opened to the public.

I'm still not quite sure why.

this is just annoying. i loved SOB. people are just sissies & can't handle it.

RIP to the BEST roller coaster Kings Island ever had. it will be greatly missed.

I'd not suggest you walk up to the people who got broken bones on the ride, one of whom got a judgment against the park after a multi-day jury trial, and tell them they are sissies.

By the way, the park's General Manager was not happy with the ride experience. Does that make him a sissy, too?

The park just announced a very difficult business decision, with many, varied factors to be considered. I'm sure the annoyance of people like you was one of the factors considered, but it was far outweighed by guest safety, comfort, maintenance costs, reliability, liability, and a host of other factors.

It is what it is.

nobody got broken bones on the SOB.? my god it isn't that bad.

Really? In addition to the broken sternums in July 2006, there were at least two earlier reported incidents of broken necks and many others of other broken bones.

Sissies?

i really enjoy the ride. people should take warning that the ride is rough before they get on, or if they have prior medical issues. that sucks people were injured, but have you ever been on the ride.? it's not bad at all. even after the loop was removed. i loved it. & its very special to people who to go Kings Island on a regular basis & ride big rides. people in ohio were THRILLED when this roller coaster was unveiled, it broke so many records. this will always be my favorite ride. & how dare you call me "annoying" for sticking up for what i believe in, & something that i enjoy. & if you don't like that i speak my mind on here, don't look at my post.

I am pretty sure that many who post on here were on SOB. Even many during the media day. Next time you want to match wits with someone you may not want to go after a senior member on this board. There is a fine line between healthy discussion and just pure sillyness. You, my friend, have easily cruised past that line into plain sillyness.

Many people were thrilled when it opened and then were saddened months/moments/years later. Remember CF is not ruining KI, they are doing what they can to make it better/safer/more enjoyable for everyone.

my apologies, i thought i said i was annoying. but i love the ride, & i'm very very upset is being torn down.

I'm glad it's gone. It was mediocre at best, and a major pain. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but sissies? Nah, the numerous injuries on the ride speaks for itself. There are some who never reported their injuries and have a permanent reminder of Son.

i thought i said i was annoying.

Umm... yeah, sure.

I agree?

ipeople should take warning that the ride is rough before they get on, or if they have prior medical issues.

What do you suggest for those individuals that have enjoyed hundreds of rides on numerous coasters, "enjoy" SoB, then suddenly have a undisclosed medical issue?

The ride has left numerous injuries, even after being "fixed".

-moving on-

You could attempt on stomping your feet about SoB leaving.

It won't change a thing.

I suggest to get over it and move on.

Also- please tell mccarthysnerd hello, and that I really miss him....

Also, not all B&M flyers are the same thing. In fact, most of them are different. Vekomas are EXACT replicas of each other.

Actually, no. Batwing and Firehawk have double helix where as Nighthawk does not. You are almost correct though. They are nearly identical. For all the flying coasters I have been on Tatsu is by far the best. Batwing, Firehawk, and Nighthawk are better than Superman Fliers at SFGAd, SFGAm, or SFOG. At least, this is my opinion.

i used to be very scared of roller coasters until 2009, then i finally started enjoying them. i rode SOB the week before it was closed.

More proof to my theory about the save SoB crowd - so many who loved it and/or wanted to save it only rode it once or twice (if at all). I think many were in love with the concept, the records, and built a better memory of SoB as time wore on than the reality of the ride deserved. Again, this comes from one who enjoyed SoB (more with the loop), rode it when in was open, initially wanted it to reopen, but long ago realized that the current path is best for KI.

i used to be very scared of roller coasters until 2009, then i finally started enjoying them. i rode SOB the week before it was closed.

More proof to my theory about the save SoB crowd - so many who loved it and/or wanted to save it only rode it once or twice (if at all). I think many were in love with the concept, the records, and built a better memory of SoB as time wore on than the reality of the ride deserved. Again, this comes from one who enjoyed SoB (more with the loop), rode it when in was open, initially wanted it to reopen, but long ago realized that the current path is best for KI.

I think you can say that w/ just about anyone in regards to past pleasures. As time marches forward most people tend to forget the (heart)aches associated w/ their memories and fall back on the good times. The same could be said of past loves (that don't end totally badly, then you tend to just remember the bad times and wipe out any of the good times and why you initially fell in love), past cars, old friends, or even old roller coasters. The idea of SOB and the fact that it still jumps into your vision each time you visit the park with so much promise trumps the forgotten memories of the pains it caused that have long worn off.

this is just annoying. i loved SOB. people are just sissies & can't handle it.

RIP to the BEST roller coaster Kings Island ever had. it will be greatly missed.

I'd not suggest you walk up to the people who got broken bones on the ride, one of whom got a judgment against the park after a multi-day jury trial, and tell them they are sissies.

By the way, the park's General Manager was not happy with the ride experience. Does that make him a sissy, too?

The park just announced a very difficult business decision, with many, varied factors to be considered. I'm sure the annoyance of people like you was one of the factors considered, but it was far outweighed by guest safety, comfort, maintenance costs, reliability, liability, and a host of other factors.

It is what it is.

nobody got broken bones on the SOB.? my god it isn't that bad.

Really? In addition to the broken sternums in July 2006, there were at least two earlier reported incidents of broken necks and many others of other broken bones.

Sissies?

i really enjoy the ride. people should take warning that the ride is rough before they get on, or if they have prior medical issues. that sucks people were injured, but have you ever been on the ride.? it's not bad at all. even after the loop was removed. i loved it. & its very special to people who to go Kings Island on a regular basis & ride big rides. people in ohio were THRILLED when this roller coaster was unveiled, it broke so many records. this will always be my favorite ride. & how dare you call me "annoying" for sticking up for what i believe in, & something that i enjoy. & if you don't like that i speak my mind on here, don't look at my post.

No ride should be rough enough to break bones.