Whats wrong with the people behind you!

They must have been marathoning.

The old trains looked nice, but had to be the most uncomfortable trains I have ever experienced. Was just no leg room at all in those trains.

The old trains looked nice, but had to be the most uncomfortable trains I have ever experienced. Was just no leg room at all in those trains.

There was so little legroom, in fact, that I was unable to ride it until they put in different trains. I am tall (6' 4"), but not THAT tall. I for one was very happy about the new trains.

RD

I liked the original trains. It was the first time I had been on a looping coaster with just a lap bar.

Those old trains are just as rough and uncomfortable, as the new ones.

The old trains looked nice, but had to be the most uncomfortable trains I have ever experienced. Was just no leg room at all in those trains.

You spoke my thought there...

They were made by the same people who did Flight of Fear and it's trains, which is also known for being horribly uncomfortable.

^Flight of Fear is comfortable now compared to what it once was >< I hated the OTSR that used to be on that ride.

I can't remember being uncomfortable on either ride.

Maybe I am just "average man" that they modeled the whole restraint system by?

^OTSR on Flight of Fear gave me more throbbing pain to my head and ears far greater than anything I ever felt on Son of Beast (old school and new school Sonny)

^OTSR on Flight of Fear gave me more throbbing pain to my head and ears far greater than anything I ever felt on Son of Beast (old school and new school Sonny)

I guess I should have been a little more specific.

I meant the lap bar restraints on SoB, and then on FoF once they were changed.

I never rode FoF with the OTSR's, but I've heard plenty of horror stories about them.

maybe they should be incorporated in to HH?

I find the new trains on Sonny more comfortable than the massive metal monsters that used to run that track (they always reminded me of mini tanks). But if they need to be changed yet again then so be it.

I find the new trains on Sonny more comfortable than the massive metal monsters that used to run that track (they always reminded me of mini tanks). But if they need to be changed yet again then so be it.

I miss having the middle row on the "tanks." I always sit in the middle row on Racer and Beast if I do not sit in 1-1.

you know i actually enjoyed the old trains. I know they clamped down on the ankles (Am i right on that one?).... but the ride was enjoyable. A little rough but not too bad. I feel, IMHO, that the rides got rougher when the trains were changed.... again though just a personal opinion.....

To be honest I enjoy a tight squeeze into a roller coaster. I like when the lap bar is tight because I feel like I dont have to hold on as tightly......... weird I know....

I also agree when the trains were changed to the new ones they had used from another park they were too small for SOB and the difference only to me is they had more leg room and it was a plus to me but they didn't really change the experience of SOB being better for me and others.

I also agree when the trains were changed to the new ones they had used from another park they were too small for SOB and the difference only to me is they had more leg room and it was a plus to me but they didn't really change the experience of SOB being better for me and others.

i miss SoB ... like it wasnt my favorite ride of all time but yet... it was still a decent ride... little bumpy but other wise good

you know i actually enjoyed the old trains. I know they clamped down on the ankles (Am i right on that one?).... but the ride was enjoyable. A little rough but not too bad. I feel, IMHO, that the rides got rougher when the trains were changed.... again though just a personal opinion.....

To be honest I enjoy a tight squeeze into a roller coaster. I like when the lap bar is tight because I feel like I dont have to hold on as tightly......... weird I know....

I loved the old trains. If they were still around SoB would be in my top 5 at KI, but now with it's new trains and no loop it's easily the 2nd worst coaster I have ever been on.

A number of times over the years, the floor of the old trains was changed. Blocks of wood and other methods were used to reposition the riders' feet and legs to ensure they were adequately and properly restrained. A number of such modifications did indeed result in substantially less legroom. None of those modifications were as severe as those that Six Flags made to the Intamin hypercoaster trains in Darien Center, New York; Agawam, Massachusetts and Upper Marlboro, Maryland.

Blocks of wood? Interesting way to fix that...

And what was wrong, do tell, with using blocks of wood? The insurer, train manufacturer and the State of Ohio had no problem with such methods. I am sorry they did not consult you. What information do you have in this regard?

Blocks of wood? I guess safety may not have been paramount...

Umm, how do you think houses are built? Without blocks of wood?

^^And now he edited his post so your comment seems to not be as related.

But it doesn't help, as his original comment is quoted in post 1223 above. Editing a post to change its content after it has been commented on, and not showing it, is borderline dishonest....

^ Borderline?

It is dishonest, black and white.

so here is a random question about the block of wood that was added...... did they screw in a 2x4 into the floor... or was it more like a sheet of wood added?

There were literally small blocks of wood added. They were not two by fours, nor were they sheets of plywood. They were custom made to be a certain size, and modified from time to time. Rubber sheeting was installed over them, but you could see the wood underneath if you knew where to look.

I edited it almost immediately after I posted, as I do quite often. I didn't expect it go get replied to twice, let alone red, before I clicked Submit.

why exactly did they add the wood? did they have an incident where a person leg came loose during a ride or was it more actively protecting an incident....

It shortly followed after incidents on the Intamin hypercoasters in Massachusetts and in New York state, and not long after the Perilous Plunge incidents.

I did some quick reading about those three incidents and wow... makes me sort of like the Over the shoulder restraints....... Now terp I just assume you know what you are talking about so here is a question....... why dont more rides have straps, sort of like soft OTSR? wouldnt it help keep more people in the train? and what is different than the lap bars on diamond back?